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Continuing…

Having published the X transcript and letters, I think I want to continue making available as much source info as possible. So from now on I’ll be dipping in to the Rathbone database and (with Marcia’s permission) posting anything that looks useful or interesting.

If anyone has suggestions or requests then email me or leave a comment.

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41 Comments

  1. Judy D. says

    Answering the orig. question, I would love if all the letters, such as regarding WWI, and primary things like that, were on one document, as you did with the BR Madame X letters.
    Nigel Bruce was born in Mexico, I believe, only because his parents were traveling there.
    The university collection in Boston is largely from Gravesend Books, which acquired BR’s effects and put them all in a catalog, and the University bought them; probably others contributed as well. Maybe we should look into whether they will accept our stuff when we drop off our twigs.
    Could you also print the Cynthia death notice? Aren’t her symptoms consistent with drug use, among other things that might point to an unhappy life and a deliberately unhealthy lifestyle? I know an addict who has Hepatitis C. Some female singer died of acute anemia, right name escapes, bro-sis act). And fer cryeye, what the heck does IMHO mean?? (I the dunce who thought LOL meant lots of love….)

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    • the countess says

      You dont have to use drugs to get Hep. And some people are born with anemia,The 2 things CAN be related but are not nessairly related. Honstly there is NO reason to asume Cyn was druggie! NONE! I for 1 would HATE to see that rumor get started without any PROOF! Poor girl’s life with Weedy as a mom had to be bad enough..with out people starting PROOF-LESS ROUMERS about her death.

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  2. Bismillah says

    Do you know who “Juliet” and “Kitten” were? I would like to know more about them if possible.

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    • “Juliet” was Joyce Carey. Someone posted a comment on this blog that “Kitten” was rumored to be Lady Diana Cooper. It would be interesting if we could find some corroborating evidence!

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      • I remember that now, it had completely slipped my mind. Also Nancy Cunard was mentioned – as she is the basis for “Myra” in ANTIC HAY.

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  3. I would like to know where the quote “Never regret anything you have done with a sincere affection” comes from. It is quoted all over the net but I do not know where it originates

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    • The Rathbone sections are available online I believe. I do have a copy of those portions but I’m not planning to publish it.

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  4. Fervent Researcher says

    older magazine articles and interviews like the Billboard one you published are always useful because they provide snapshots of what the person was thinking – or at least saying in public – at a given time. So I would vote for seeing more of these from the 1920’s or 30’s or earlier if possible.

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    • Mikufan says

      I’ve got ‘Whos on screen 1939’ somewhere in my room…I’ve always thought his eyes were blue, but apparently according to this they were brown.ಠ_ ಠ (Although they did also say Nigel Bruce was born in Hollywood, which we know isn’t true.)

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      • Watch Comedy of Terrors. There’s a tight close up of his eyes and you see the color clearly. Grayish blue with brown flecks 🙂

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        • Ceridwyn says

          I read in one of those “Who’s on screen” mags. once….1938 I believe. It stated that his eyes were hazel. That is the term used whenever the color is a mix. Makes them more dreamy and mysterious. Ahhhh, mood eyes.

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            • the countess says

              Yes they do say dark,and it made me wonder if they had even looked at him at all. Just looked at his visa{?{ on line today his eyes were discribed as hazle.My Dad had hazle eyes..could go from blue to green to brown.Basils look mostly blue to me.Not at all like my dads.People with “mood” [love the def.]eyes are always interesting to watch.

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          • Margaret G says

            I would call his flecks “golden” but then I am somewhat in love with his eyes.

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              • GRETCHEN says

                My eyes are hazel, too…they’re greenish with a touch of gray/blue, and gold flecks. They used to be light baby-blue until I was about 7, when they all of a sudden “decided” to turn hazel—what the HECK?! 😮

                As for Basil’s eyes—that pic on Marcia’s website’s homepage (basilrathbone.net) for this November’s “photo of the month”, shows him with the SADDEST eyes I’ve seen…he was the same age as me (38) when it was taken. He must’ve been suffering terribly inside, ’cause even in photographs I can tell when someone’s soul is in pain. His PTSD probably had a LOT to do with it, as well as his somewhat recent marriage to the cursed Ouida! 😦

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    • Elaine says

      I would definitely vote for posting old interviews and articles. They can be so fascinating for what they say and what they _don’t_ say

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        • A lot of those old Hollywood magazines were churned out by the studio system, so stories and quotes should be looked at critically. The studios wanted their stars to be seen in the best light (as do some others we know)!

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    • the countess says

      Agreed! thankfully a lot of primary sources are now on line.Otherwise my wings would get realy tired from flying back and forth to all those places I need to check. ;> Totaly amazing what you can find online now a days. And as always with genealogy ‘consider the sorce’.

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  5. Roberta says

    I am curious about Mary Sandman. I would be interested in reading the history of their correspondence if anything is known.

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    • margaret G says

      I am curious about her too. I wonder if Countess and our other resident researchers could dig anything up about her. 😀 I would also be interested to know more about Cynthia, if there is any source material about her. Her tragically early death is such a mystery. I can’t help wondering if it might reflect some part of the disastrous events in her parents’ relationship, and Ouida’s own psychological problems.

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        • The hep C claim isn’t documented though is it? I actually can’t remember where we got it from. Cynthia’s obit simply cites “acute anemia” as the cause of death, which is pretty non-specific. People seem very interested in the question, judging by the number of search terms involving “Cynthia Rathbone death” that hit this blog, and I would love to be in a position to provide more answers, but currently – it’s a big question mark.

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          • I would imagine that the death certificate would list the correct cause of death. We ought to be able to find that. In any case, it was an illness, so her death was not related to her parents’ relationship or Ouida’s psychological problems.

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              • the countess says

                Ummm mabey. Sad to sad that a death cert dosent always tell you cause of death. As many genealogiest will sadly tell you.Also they can be “discrete” as to cause of death.Such as in suside they might simply say shot,insted of blew his brains out..or broken neck insted of got totaly smashed and tryed to kick the dog down the stairs and fell himself. Sometimes they say unknown some times cause isnt even filled in. For some interesting reading try this link http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_dcsearch.aspx you dont have to know anyone just pick a name from thin air try Smith or Jones. and a county. You’ll see how frusterating death certs can be for info.

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            • Margaret G says

              oh I wasn’t in any way trying to suggest the parents were responsible for her death. I’m sorry if it came over like that. What I was meaning was, did Cynthia suffer emotionally from being raised in a family riven by so much stress. You have to wonder what their life together was like post-X. Ouida was so full of hate and felt so betrayed and Basil was by that time I think broken in his heart and soul. How much happiness could they bring to a child under these circumstances? Did Ouida even try? You have to wonder what the little one’s life was like. I wonder if it possibly exacerbated her illness, or even did she truly have an illness or was that a cover for something even more tragic such as drug abuse, or emotional problems?

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      • the countess says

        Please give me a bit more to go on beside a name.Who is Mary Sandman? I would LOVE to tell you all I have found anything at all on Cyn..but I cant .Right now my 3 big mysterys are 1 anything at all on Cyn that we dont alredy Know..I know nothing more then anyone else here does. 2. WHAT happened to Bea? 3. Basils moms genealogy..might have that mystery solved..but wont say for sure because I cant conect the family to Irl. And he says in IAOOC his moms Irish.and she decends from Edward 3rd. there IS a 4th mystery but i’m not ready to speak of it.

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        • Re. Mary Sandmann. In 1942, she was living at 31 Wigglesworth Street, Roxbury, MA. By the 1960s she was living at 1564 Tremont Street, Roxbury. There might be a couple more addresses on the envelopes, but I don’t think she ever left MA. But who she was, how old, married or single, how she began this apparently lifelong correspondence with BR – I have no idea.

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