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A Christmas Candid

Continuing the theme of posting suggestions sent in by you guys – This candid of Basil, Ouida an unidentified doe-eyd female is a total mess, stained, torn and watermarked. But Cherryice sent me this version that has been de-watermarked to a large extent, and it makes it worth a look, because of the little moment it’s caught between husband, wife and young lady on the stairs….

Not sure of the date, but by the look of the clothes I am guessing early to mid fifties.

OuidaBasilandfemale

Hope you’re all having a great holiday season! We’ve been playing Little Big Planet A LOT 🙂

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73 Comments

  1. GRETCHEN says

    At first, I too thought Ouida was staring at him in complete DISGUST and jealousy…BUT, looking at it again, I realize she MAY just appear that way because of her furrowed brow and pronounced jowls. Older women with facial wrinkles and sagging skin can often SEEM as though they are “frowning” or “angry”, when they’re really NOT.

    So, I won’t make TOO harsh of a judgment based on a candid photo—but, if I were to GUESS at her inner-feelings at that moment, with OR without the “face”—she totally HATES his guts, BIG-TIME!! (At least whenever he’s in the presence of ANY young, attractive girl on Planet Earth who isn’t his daughter.) 🙂

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    • the countess says

      DEC 5,1944.in the middlel of an afair with Madam X? Mabey Weedy is thinking Is this the other woman? Mabey shes thinking Will this be the next X? or would that make her madam Y. Was Basil planing to go all the way to Z?

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  2. the countess says

    SHARE HIM? ARE YOU NUTS! I’d lock him in his /our/ room for ever.Just kidding.Realy though,Sounds to me like she gave him Weedy gave him plenty of reasons to stray. And you cant even tell any of us that the look on her face isnt pure hate.

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    • …Maybe she just didn’t eat her snickers. She’s never herself when she’s hungry 😀

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  3. BASIL says

    Aw, I think Ouida just doesn’t like him talking to other women. (U_O)
    (Be honest, if he was yours, would YOU want to share him?)

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  4. Ouida was a witch pure and simple and I’m not talking looks, I’m talking the expression in those eyes and that harsh lines of the soul behind that face.

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  5. OMFG!!! The look on that woman’s face is like the moment in a horror film where the mask slips and the person we all thought was a human turn out to be a demon or something!! is it just a camera trick, or did she really hate him that much?

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  6. roesbette says

    I don’t think so, as Rathbone wasn’t under contract with David Selznick at this time, and Selznick was Jones’ mentor (and lover). Jones was married to Robert Walker, and the marriage eventually broke up due to her affair with Selznick. From my understanding of Miss Jones, I don’t think she’d dally with someone who wasn’t central to furthering her career.Rathbone and Jones never made a film together. So, it could just be that they were all at a social gathering, which would be plausible.

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      • roesbette says

        She was a somewhat opportunistic young actress. She had young children from her marriage with Robert Walker, and her relationship with Selznick broke up that marriage. Walker eventually descended into alcoholism and died an early death.

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  7. Betty Markes says

    Good lord. What a wonderful moment caught for posterity. I don’t suppose there’s any suggestion of a history between Jennifer Jones and Mr Rathbone?

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  8. Hector Borris says

    Don’t approve of your take on the glorious Mr Rathbone. He was a perfect gentleman and would surely not have behaved in some of the ways you ascribe to him.

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  9. IdaHoButSheRanAway says

    Ok excuse my frankness but that woman looks like a demented evil b***h! Basil, to quote Martin from FRASIER – “Run for you life…Run for your life!”

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    • Or “Run from your wife” I’d say he took so much and no more.What was so bad about him paying respects to JJ,OR?Do you have to be Queen Bee 24/7.We know he was your man,but give him some slack.He knew he was married to you,and Lord knows you had a few hubbies before him,so chill!

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  10. “Almost as though she were playing a balcony scene, Jennifer Jones stops midway on a stairway to chat with Mr. and Mrs. Basil Rathbone” Her look is stary eyed i’d say. Mabey she was thinking..Robert Wagner, good choice but didnt work out..Basil Rathbone…better choice.Mabey Ouida reconises the “Thats my next husband look” SHE gave Basil all those many years ago.Its a wonder she isnt draging him down the stairs and locking him in a closet till Jennifer,goes home.

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    • uh not only cant i type i cant read. Robert Wakler?[who I dont know]not Robert Wagner..[who is quite cute but not married to Jennifer jones]from that point carry on!

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    • Ya know i wonder who first used “Thats my next husband ” story.Could Ouida have really robbed it from Vivien Leigh?Could it be Viv robbed it fromOuida?

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  11. I found the caption that goes with the photo in this post. It reads:
    Photo by NAT DALLINGER, Dec. 5 1944
    Honoring a number of film celebrities who have recently visited overseas Allied bases to entertain the armed forces, socialite Cobina Wright (mother of actress Cobina Wright Jr) hosted a formal dinner party at her Beverly Hills home. Cobina, during World Way I, spent a good deal of time doing welfare work in the war zones. She, like Elsie Janis, entertained the doughboys in France. Numerous top-ranking film stars attended the party to join Cobina in showing their appreciation for the efforts of their fellow actors who have joined the ranks of “soldiers in greasepaint.”
    Almost as though she were playing a balcony scene, Jennifer Jones stops midway on a stairway to chat with Mr. and Mrs. Basil Rathbone. Jennifer is a busy girl these days, acting in motion pictures, caring for her two sons and serving faithfully as a Nurse’s Aid. Since her estrangement from her husband, Robert Walker, Jennifer has ceased patronizing film playspots.

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    • Necromancer's Daughter says

      Jennifer’s marriage to Robert broke up badly and she ended up taking the kids away from him. He died, basically of a broken heart, just a few years later.

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  12. What do I have to do to get any attention from you Mr Basil Rathbone?I wonder if it was one of the dinner parties at the Rathbone home?Maybe she wanted his attention to the disorder in his library,or he was taking JJ into the kitchen where the fun people hung out.Geez,Ouida,you’re the one who announced he was your next husband before/during/after divorcing GF.You supposedly acted and worked behind the scenes,and he probably asked you the next day to send her flowers,like you did to Earhart,and probably Marie Curie,so cut him some slack.He wasn’t a raving child molester or someone indiscreet with sewing wild oats. He was a gentleman and you needed to be thankful for the world he opened to you,careless spending and all by you.

    (edited one time by NeveR)

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  13. roesbette says

    It’s obvious Basil was upper middle-class, with a good family background, although he has an unpretentious attitude about class and money. But many folks of his social class are that way because they are comfortable about themselves and their social standing. Ouida came from a lower class “country” Southern background, so I can see how she felt insecure.

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    • I havent gotten far enough back yet on her family to know for sure. But Not every southern family is “poor white trash” so to speek.The farther back you can trace your family in this country either “old new england stock” or “southern planttrocy”,the chances are you may well decend from gentery, arostrocy,or even royalty.We live in a country founded by the younger sons of the British upper class rember.I’m not sure on Eulas family yet?

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      • Even if someone was underpriveledged way back when,they still probably had good manners taught from the cradle,unlike today’s gimme or else attitudes.She was lucky to have seen Baz in The Czarina to be able to remark that she’d decided on him for her next husband.Did she have enough time to bring the others to their knees financially?

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  14. Definitely the Baz flirted,why not when you look like him.I’m sure he told the Mrs to go chase herself more than once.Oh,to know her genealogy.He never seemed to be ashamed of where he came from or that he considered himself selfish demanding to go to Repton.Hope everyone’s had a great Holiday!

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  15. Judy D. says

    Holy catfish, a Bazz CSI episode! Tremendous work. Just sorry it wasn’t Cynthia. Are there truly no adult or even teen photos of her? Know she started out blonde, but some kids darken, so hoped it was. The person is certainly giving him a friendlier look than Ouida is. Oh, to be a fly on the wall. But who took the picture! BTW, I am sure that most of us fans when in our 50s looked nothing like this!!!

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    • Umm if I can find it I have a teen photo of Cyn.It was out of an old magizne..see what i can do about finding it.She’s not very pretty nothing like the girl,[Jennifer Jones] on the stairs.

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  16. Ok – Jennifer Jones and “Miss A” lined up next to each other.

    And one image laid on top of the other

    You can see the two faces line up almost perfectly – so I suspect Miss A is indeed Jennifer Jones 🙂

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  17. Monica says

    Wow it really caught moment didn’t it – Ouida looks preeeetty pissed I’d say. Was her man a bit of a flirt with the ladies?

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      • Probably mad because he asked her to send JJ flowers like he did to Ms Earhart and Mrs Curie after meeting them.So why the difference when decided Dr Sloper should send his daughter flowers?Don’t think that character had anything but contempt for his “plain” daughter(Dr Sloper,that is).How could Olivia ever be considered plain,or Joan,either?No wonder looking at Ouida in that picture Ticked off Joan Fontaine for the bill for towels,broken glass tabletop while staying in their NYC apt.But if she stayed with her kids,who knows how much breakage there was.

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  18. roesbette says

    This photo is a later picture of Jones, around the time of Love is a Many Splendored Thing, where she is made up to look Eurasian. I think this picture is much earlier. I’ll send you the two images, Neve, and maybe your technological know-how can help enlighten us all.

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  19. Monica says

    Ok so wild guess – is Jennifer Jones the un-named actress in that marvellous bit you quoted?

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  20. Claude Rains says

    I don’t think that is Jennifer Jones – I see the similarity and it’s a good call, but I don’t think it’s actually her.

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  21. Hot Chick says

    Maybe I am just being wise after the event and factoring in all the other things we have been learning about her recently, but I think her expression is cold as ice and deeply hostile. She’s looking at her husband a if she hates him. I disagree with Robert she looks jealous. it’s more of a “jeeeezus h. christ I f***ing hate you beneath the surface” look

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  22. Ok we are all tapdancing aroud it. I’ll come out and call a spade a spade.Ouida looks not so much interested as she looks hissed off. Ready to ream Mr. Holmes a new one. Wonder who said what to who?

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  23. Very good call, Rosemarie. I’m feeling like it’s 1943 or maybe 1944. JJ is young–very young. And Ouida, the consummate actress, is playing the role of the jealous wife.

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    • roesbette says

      The actress is indeed Jennifer Jones. The same image is on a Bing site with images of Jones, cropped so that you can’t see Basil and Ouida. I recognized her also because my mother in her youth bore an uncanny resemblance to Miss Jones, so I have a great fondness for the actress because photos of her remind me of my mother, who was also a great beauty (and still is at age 81!).

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    • Why would she be playing and not actually jealous? By the way, Mr Matzen, I got your Errol and Olivia book for Christmas and am reading it – you should give The Baz a percentage of that sale 🙂

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  24. Judy D. says

    Wow; maybe the location and time block can be identified from the stair railing (if in one of his houses). Could it possibly be their daughter? Who never seems to be shown as an adult? Otherwise she looks a bit familiar–am thinking Jane Wyman. Anyone good with old actresses? Ouida, if that’s her, looks intent as if there’s a conversation going on, but not necessarily hostile. Almost a normal look for her, perhaps. Chubby there–maybe from the era of that mag. article about the party that BR felt compelled to respond to? Does she look a bit splotchy and bloated, as if perhaps alcoholic? Not to be mean, just…..

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    • roesbette says

      If the actress is Jennifer Jones, then this was taken in the mid-40s. Both Basil and Ouida would be 50+, so I would say Ouida looks like what an “unretouched” woman in her mid-50s should look like. It’s not like now when women are getting botox and laser surgery at the drop of a hat.

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    • Actually I think some of the splotchiness might be down to the fact the image has had a watermark taken off it, and there is a faint stain of it still there. Having said that, my friend took one look and said “she looks like she’s already planning how much arsenic to put in his soup” 🙂

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  25. Margaret G says

    Oh my goodness I don;t think she knew she was being snapped – the mask has slipped

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    • Maybe this was taken around the time he was bored with Sherlock films,and he’d announced he was leaving Hollywood and she was thinking she’s going to have to look for another mealticket.Or maybe even have to start working herself?

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