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a closer look at the second Mrs Rathbone part III

Well this is slowly turning into an epic all of its own. Part three was going to be the conclusion, but I think we have to detour from the narrative to look at the discoveries being made by Anna and Countess.

Thanks to Countess we now know Ouida/Eunie/Eula was indeed married, briefly, to a mr RH Burgess in 1905. She was 19, he was 24, and the marriage lasted no longer than five years. Presumably Burgess is husband no. 1.

Countess also dug up the 1940 census record for the Rathbone household, which tells us a few interesting snippets. The family were employing no less than three maids at the time – one English girl, Nellie Green aged 26, a Mexican, Celia Rivas aged 18, and a Dutch woman,Theresa Glassbergen aged 30. In addition there was a “houseboy” called Thomas Honda and a cook called Eupesnia Caballero. So, quite a stable of domestics even by Hollywood standards.

And Ouida was lying about her age. 🙂

Basil Rathbone in 1940 census

Anna discovered the marvellous extract from CALIFORNIA AND CALIFORNIANS by Rockwell D. Hunt which I’ll quote in full below. I think it would be good to know who actually wrote it. As someone said the incoherent prose style is very similar to the 1917 “agency” advertizement. Is that because Ouida wrote them both or because it was some kind of prevailing style?

But the most significant thing has to be the snapshot it provides of what Ouida was claiming to be her personal history in 1932. Because almost every “fact” she offers that can be checked turns out to be false. Her lifestory as told to the author of this book amounts to almost total reinvention of her past. Not just names and dates, but detailed “memories.”

Read for yourselves and see what you think. I’ve helpfully emboldened the parts of the story we know to be totally fictitious (don’t you get the impression an awful lot of people who knew her would have been grateful for such a service?)

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Oulda Bergere, whose talent as an artist of the stage and the screen has brought to her much of distinction and gracious popularity, and whose career has been exceptional in many of its phases, in that she has traveled and lived in all parts of the civilized world, now centers her interests in her beautiful home at 628 Crescent Drive, Beverly Hills, Los Angeles County. In private life she is the wife of Basil Rathbone, and these two distinguished artists have made their California home known as a cultural center and as the scene of communal hospitality of the most gracious order.

Ouida Bergere, whose maiden name was Ouida DuGaze, made her advent into the world under exceptional circumstances, as she was born on a railroad train that was enroute to Madrid, Spain, her mother having at the time been on her way to visit the home of her husband’s parents, in that city, and not having anticipated the appearance of a little daughter prior to her arrival at her destination. Ouida Bergere is a daughter of Stephen and Marion (Manners) DuGaze, the former of Spanish lineage and the latter of French and English ancestry. Miss Bergere passed the first four years of her life in the home of her paternal grandparents, in Madrid, her parents having in the meanwhile traveled extensively about the world. She was able to speak only the Spanish language when she was four years of age, and thus was not able to understand when her mother returned to Madrid and spoke to her in English.

Between the ages of four and six years Miss Bergere lived with her parents in Paris, and then she was in England until she had attained the age of eleven years. She then came to the United States, and she has pronounced herself [p.492] a veritable commuter in voyaging back and forth between this country and England during the intervening years, though she now takes pride in being a full-fledged American citizen. Miss Bergere advanced her education by attending the Potter School at Bowling Green, Kentucky, the National Park Seminary in Washington, D. C., and Mrs. Mason’s exclusive school on the Hudson River in New York State. After coming to this country she lived for a time in Connecticut, thereafter was in the home of an aunt in Virginia, and she had similar experience in New Orleans and at Little Rock, Arkansas, as well as in Kentucky.

Miss Bergere became associated with the stage when she was but a girl. Winchell Smith, the well known playright, gave her a first opportunity to play a part, and her talent enabled her to make rapid progress, but an affliction came to her in the loss of her voice, so that she was compelled to abandon her stage career. Under these conditions she showed the versatility of her talent by turning her attention to literary pursuits. She thus wrote for the New York Herald and for various magazines, besides writing stories for motion-picture production. The silver-screen industry eventually enlisted her attention to such an extent that she learned virtually all things pertaining to the production of motion pictures and their business exploitation.

She wrote and directed plays, designed costumes and stage settings, wrote titles, did the cutting of films, and appeared in leading roles. Thus she gained wide experience in the earlier period of modern motion-picture production, and she has won much success and distinction in connection with this great industry and art. She wrote most of the stories for the various films in which Elsie Ferguson was starred, many of the best for May Murray, including On With the Dance, in which Miss Murray registered her first great claim to stellar honors. Miss Bergere has written many stories also for Pola Negri, for Corinne Griffith and for others who have won stardom. She prepared in 1920 the screen version of Peter Ibbetson, in which Elsie Ferguson and Wallace Reid appeared. In this connection fate played for her a most gracious part, for it was in this connection that she met Basil Rathbone, who was playing lead in the stage production of this play, this casual meeting having ripened into a friendship that culminated in marriage, in 1926.

Among the Paramount pictures Miss Bergere prepared for Elsie Ferguson may be mentioned The Avalanche, Society Exile, and The Witness for the Defense. For May Murray she did Idols of Clay, On With the Dance, and The Right to Love, for Poli Negri she did Bella Donna; for Bert Lytle and Betty Compson she did To Have and To Hold; for Corinne Griffith she did Six Days; and for Fanny Ward she offered Common Clay, New York, and others. Her first husband, George Fitzmaurice, directed many of these plays. In 1929 a notable play written by Miss Bergere and successfully released through the medium of the screen was Suburbia Comes to Paradise. She has done pictures in England, France and Italy.

In Rome she did the picture entitled The Eternal City, which enlisted the cooperative assistance of the Facisti and of the great Mussolini himself, the American ambassador in Rome having aided her in obtaining this cooperation. She photographed in this connection a scene in which Mussolini was depicted in the writing of a letter, and summoning a man to post it. She later asked the distinguished dictator if he really wrote the important letter and thus dispatched it, and he replied in the affirmative, he having acceded to her a most gracious assistance and having proved to be a man of great charm, as she still remembers with recurrent pleasure.

Ten thousand of the Facisti appeared in the Coliseum scenes for The Eternal City. After her marriage to Basil Rathbone Miss Bergere gave up her picture work to assist him in his work and in the management of his business affairs, she having designed and executed [p.493] sets used in his various plays. The career of Basil Rathbone is made the subject of individual record on other pages of this publication. The home life of Mr. and Mrs. Rathbone is ideal in its varied relations and influences, her hobbies are birds and dogs, and her home has a splendid aviary that is one of its many attractions, another of its attractions being a wonderful outdoor swimming pool, much used by Mr. and Mrs. Rathbone and also brought into commission for plunge parties for their guests. Swimming and horseback riding form the chief diversions of Mr. and Mrs. Rathbone, and their delightful home, of English design, is the stage of many and lavish social events.

Hmmm….so our Cosmopolitan gal with Spanish/French/parents, couldn’t even speak English until she was four.

Gee, that must have made things reaaaaal tricky for her growing up in Little Rock AR.
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I think it’s totally legitimate at this point to wonder if the stuff we can’t or haven’t yet checked about her is any more real than the stuff we have.

Did she really have to abandon acting because she lost her voice? (So, when did it come back?) Did she really design costumes,”write and direct plays” and do film cutting? Was she really educated at the National Park Seminary in Washington DC? How come the groundbreaking talent agency gets no mention in this CV? For which of her husband’s plays exactly did she “design and execute the sets”?

And more explicitly where on the spectrum of fantasy-prone personalities does Ouida/Eula/Eunie/Bergere/DuGaze/Burgess/Branch belong?

And how much did Basil know about this woman, before or after she got to use his name? Is the person he describes in his memoirs any more real than “Ouida DuGaze”, fictional Spanish-speaking child of fictional “Stephen Du Gaze” and his totally made-up wife “Marion Manners”?

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  2. Does anyone know if there are surviving family members?? 20 years ago, I came across a beautiful award plaque made by the Australian Jeweler ‘Angus & Coote’ that was ordered by the Australian government ( three of ) to be awarded to three famous actors, Basil being one. They obviously weren’t and I’d sincerely like to get this back to his family if that is possible?? E-mail me direct at Vizionmusic@aol.com

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    • Hmm yeah. Isn’t Heloise Rathbone his granddaughter.She does a lot of charity work, you can look her up online.She’s on Facebook. And then there’s Dounia Rathbone and Richard Rathbone who are also his grandchildren, but I don’t know much about them.When I googled them up I found out that Dounia had started a catering service some years back and found a newspaper article about a party called Remembering Baz which Dounia catered food.
      As for Richard, there’s some well known doctor.
      Not quite sure whether he is the same one but that’s all I could find.

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  3. the countess says

    Sorry for the totaly horribal [even for me] spellings, but the page kept jumping up and down.

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  4. the countess says

    So even though I found the marriage licence of Burgess and Weedy I couldnt realy view it..supper slow internet conection.can view it now boy. ramdom thoughts who filled it out? her or him? there handwrighting is totaly 1700s. check out the double ss its the fs form that wasnt even being taught in schools when his or her were born.You stop seeing it even in WV/Va cences around the 1850s. Whats the scrawl befor Weedys name? miss[theres that fs form again]then scrawl that looks like ?whatever? over mrs.Interesting that they are noted as white as opposed to the other side of page couple listed as coloured.Too the wrighter of the co mug book up on what he had written and checked out the National Park Seminary in Washington d.c..there is none.BUT there is one in Sliver Springs MD. link for you inquireing mindshttp://www.saveourseminary.org/about-us/national-park-seminary/ do look at it its a beautifull place. The portter School in Bowling green ky dosent exsist,theres a portter gray grade school but not likely to be listed as prestgious,nor old enough for her to have attended. Still looking.

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    • the countess says

      Mrs Masons exclusive school on the Hudson..does exsist its in tarrytone this is what i found in a wright up about the town “Tarrytown, being home to the “Millionaire’s Colony”, also attracted many students to its private schools and its boarding schools. The first private school to appear in the Tarrytown area was the Irving School for Boys in 1837. It was followed by the very fashionable Castle School, or Miss Mason’s school for girls. There was also Mrs. Leonard’s School, the Home Institute. Newman’s Military Academy, Starr’s Military Academy, the Jane R. & H.L. Buckley school for girls, The Knox School, The Highland Manor School, Repton School for boys, the Andre Brook School, Tarrytown School, St. Vincent dePaul. Hackley, and Fordham-Marymount still educate today.” Tarrytownmay be more famouse for you folks a the Place called Sleepy Hollow in ihe ledgend of Sleppy Hollow. also if your also a Dark Shadows fan [I am] Lyndhurst is in Tarrytown. Lyndhurst is of course the mansion used in the movie version,of the tv show. [not Johhy Depp version.Jonathan Frid Version] Taytown views http://www.cardcow.com/viewall/65590/ And a cose up of Miss Masons http://www.cardcow.com/160965/miss-masons-school-tarrytown-new-york/ I cant link to Google maps for some reason? but if you go to it and type in the addy 628 Crescent Drive, Beverly Hills, Los Angeles you will get 2 choices I have to asume its the 1st listed as n.,the other is a 1950s style house. check back view on the photo view you can see the swimming pool through the fence.The neighborhood dosent look verry upscale but then a lot of time has passed under the bridge of time sence then.

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  5. GRETCHEN says

    In reply to the (REALLY LONG) comment by Judy Dawes from Dec. 17, 2012— I saw somewhere in the middle-paragraph there, that she was CONFUSED as to some of the conflicting “facts” she’d read about Basil’s family.

    I know for SURE that his son was born in 1915, because he wrote home during the war asking his wife how the baby was doing, and she gave him updates as to the progress of their son in return-letters. Rodion was DEFINITELY NOT born AFTER the war. Also, she wondered about Cynthia’s name and questionable birth…I’ve seen her listed as both “Barbara”, AND “Cynthia”, and I think I read that she was named “Barbara Cynthia”, so I’m guessing that like Basil and his son Rodion (who BOTH went by their MIDDLE-NAMES), perhaps so did she. The reason Rodion is listed as Basil’s only “natural” child, is because Ouida was unable to have children (she suffered from several miscarriages), so she and Basil ADOPTED their daughter. (I recently discovered this fact, but had always GUESSED that was the reason, since he’d been able to father his son, prior.) He actually didn’t WANT more kids, but Ouida got her way, as USUAL…only THIS time, I believe that little girl ended-up being the BEST AND ONLY great thing she ever gave to him!! Boy, he LOVED that kid— and, what a GREAT daddy he must’ve been! 🙂

    Ouida most-likely had “narcissistic personality disorder”, NOT bi-polar, since her symptoms are those of a person with NO ability to feel empathy for others…as well as the fact that if the world didn’t drop everything and worship her at ALL times, she’d throw a tantrum! She also had “obsessive-compulsive disorder”, because she was such a SUPER CONTROL/NEAT-FREAK about her home being in PERFECT order— extravagant décor, everything color-coded, books matched-up on shelves, spotlessly-clean, etc. These two disorders are commonly linked. It’s too bad, because Basil liked to be simple, sloppy and casual; and because he’d led such a HARD life during the war, he could care LESS about being a POMPOUS SHOW-OFF like her. He was SOOO grateful to have food to eat, and a place to sleep, and bathe…he would’ve lived in a SHACK, as long as he was with the love of his life— I only wish SHE’D felt the same way. I know I WOULD, if I was LUCKY ENOUGH to be his wife…SHE NEVER KNEW WHAT SHE HAD. Sadly, she probably only wanted a child so she could OWN someone who’d love her unconditionally, as well as to give her the APPEARANCE of a “family woman”, to make her seem more loveable. I feel this was the case, since she basically let the NANNY raise her daughter, most of the time. WHAT A “MOM”!

    The reason narcissists are like this, is either because A) they were raised EXTREMELY spoiled and entitled, causing their selfish behavior B) had parents that NEGLECTED their needs emotionally and physically C) were showered with gifts by parents who seemed distant and wanted to make-up for it, when all the child wanted was their LOVE and affection D) because they were physically, mentally, or sexually ABUSED (especially by a parent, who’s SUPPOSED to be protecting them), or E) One or BOTH parents abandoned the marriage, or the child. In ANY of these cases, the child’s brain forms a defensive-personality to prevent feeling the pain of insecurity and helplessness they are now left with. They act BRATTY and EGOTISTICAL to hide their inadequacy. They need to CONTROL everyone and everything in their lives, because they felt so unable to control what happened to them as kids. I feel sorry for kids who grow-up to be like Ouida, because they are truly SUFFERING, and then people HATE them due to their terrible behavior, on TOP of it. And then, someone AMAZING like Basil comes along and LOVES them, and they can’t DEAL with that kind of intimate closeness, so they try to SABOTAGE the relationship to make the person leave by being a TOTAL JERK so they can say: “see, he LEFT me, just like everyone ELSE always does”. PRETTY SAD (AND DEEP) STUFF. 😦

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  6. Roberta says

    I am newbie to Basil and have become a fan through watching runs of his Sherlock films over Christmas. I am buying his autobiography and a copy of the book by Michael B. Druxman, but is there anything else anyone here would recommend? And what movies should I see next? I am a little bit Basil obsessed at the moment I admit, but I think he was just the most wonderful actor, and so magnetic. People talk about the sexual presence of actors like Clark Gable, but in my opinion Basil has some of the most pheromone-rich screen-acting ever, even when he’s just standing in a room, just eyeing a crime scene or talking to some bit actor and not doing anything even the remotest bit sexy or romantic he just has this sense of what a man he is and how much sensuality and testosterone there is beneath the surface.

    God, I would not DARE say this in real life as I come across as a complete teen fan, and I am actually 35! But Gosh this man has got to me like few actors ever do.

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    • Margaret G says

      Hello Roberta and welcome to Basil fandom. I would recommend watching “The Adventures of Robin Hood,” “Love From a Stranger,” “David Copperfield,” “Anna Karenina,” and “The Last of Mrs. Cheyney.”

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    • Petronella says

      Absolutely true about his sexual presence as Holmes. he just oozes that quiet, assured, masculine sexuality, and in any scene with a woman there’s almost always chemistry. The way the women look at him!

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    • Elaine Drury says

      Actually that’s true and I never focused on it before, and it’s more true in the Holmes films than anything else. I wonder why that is.

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  7. Didn’t think Jack Miltern was gay,but explains his hanging on and around the Rathbones.Doesanyone else think of Baz as the Patrick wayze of his day?Great looking,sensitive,many talented.Flynn was the one worried about his male beauty getting scarred in the CB duel,but Baz slipped on the rocks,they both did that’s why so many takes had to be done on that scene because the tide was in.

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    • Judy D. says

      Miltern was probably simply a fun guy to have around; an encyclopedia on the early days of movies and stage, perhaps. Probably experiencing financial difficulties, not for the first time. Probably a sort of father image for both of them. Though Harpo Marx in his funny autobiography, “Harpo Speaks,” writes of the very neurotic actor Oscar Levant coming to live with him for an interminable time; apparently Levant had a habit of moving in with various people until long after his welcome had worn out.

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  8. Judy D. says

    Hope I didn’t infer that wonderful Danny Kaye was a child molester–or our favorite TV cowboy duos, either! Just meant that today everything gets so exploited, so many allegations fly around, and so much innocence has been lost, so young. Speaking of strange marriages that seemed to work: Danny and Sylvia Fine! In that case, at least she had talent.
    Love the idea of the “Quicksilver” character possibly being based as much on Ouida as Bazz. Perhaps the author made a pass at BR and, being rejected, got venomous about him. I do find the book interesting, but guess I like stodgy old books.
    Never saw that side photo of Ouida before (regarding the “chubby” Ouida’s parties)–she must have been absolutely horrified to see that, never mind read the story. No wonder BR had to send out a protesting letter to the editor. HOW could he have been interested in her? And he said in his autobio that she cooked French food–he certainly didn’t eat enough of it to gain any weight!
    Not many months ago there was a young actor named Something [Jason?] Rathbone and he was asked if he was related; he said he didn’t know! It should be fairly easy to find this guy on google. If related, it says a lot about family relations!
    C’mon, folks, more stuff!!

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    • thank you ,im glad it wasnt ment to sound like Danny was a child molester..perhaps i took it wrong.it was late.[not 5.07 though] i seem to be in a dif time zone from the one in the blog. Did you know that Danny, learned to play piano for “the 5 Pennies”? He learned to fence for “Court Jester”I dont know much about Sivila, but i suspect Danny had some talent too.At least enough to enertain millons of us for many many years.

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  9. Ahh link dosent work. Flyn said something about thinking Basil was trying to kill him in CB,it’s in Beams End.I Think.But also admits he likes him.[no not “that way”].I never heard Ty Power hurt Basil in MOZ. I did read he got hurt[not seriously] in the dule on the stairs with Danny Kaye. Danny Kaye child molester?WTF! Also that he got pretty banged up falling down the stairs in “Frenchmans Creek”whish I could rember which book I read it in.Want to say “Hollywood Raj”but I could be wrong.Seams they had him do his own stunts in it and they kicked him down those stairs way more then one time.His agent wrote to the produver [or someone like that] to the effect of “please quite kicking Basil down the stairs.”

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    • Michael Miller says

      You need an editor. Your composition is poor and your spelling is terrible. It demeans your work and the effort you put into it.

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  10. Judy D. says

    Hi–have just spent about four hours reading this and that about the project and oohing over the photos and discoveries. Finally HAD to stop for today! Overwhelmingly fabulous; like having a bucketful of jewels poured onto one’s head and not knowing which one to pick up and gaze at. How are you guys ever going to arrange all into a book?
    I do vote for using black type on a white background, and I do find it confusing following threads (not used to it is all–but will become).
    “Confession” is one of my favorite of his movies–a real soap opera, and I could just imagine meeting him, young and innocent like that girl….!!
    There definitely is something a bit homosexual about the movie with Martin Koslik. I used to get Scarlet Street mag., which ran many interesting interviews and articles on Holmes or BR, and one article said that during the making of “Pursuit to Algiers” Koslik and the fellow playing the hiding prince had an affair! Who knows. Remember all those nice westerns we watched as kids on Sat. mornings? Lovely cowboys (my favorite was Range Rider’s Jock Mahoney, who later played Tarzan–boy, could I pick ’em), usually accompanied by a young male partner. It’s a wonder there’s no big revelation going on that they all represented a Brokeback Mountain relationship! Or that our beloved Danny Kaye, of Sir Laurence Olivier fame, must have molested the kids he did so many great movies with. Grrr.
    If the war letters are genuine, it would be interesting to explore whether BR wrote more stories than the two published ones, “Cheedie” and the one about meeting Holmes in the park. He was a fine, humorous and intelligent writer, that’s for sure. And what happened to the daily journal he kept, with playbills and reviews etc., during the early part of his career??
    Someone asked for the link to the Dick Cavett article. Had a problem finding it, but at last: opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/category/dick-cavett [and more]. Also opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/02/13/Basil [and more]. Probably safer to not type in too much and see what happens. The second one is more direct, and good luck on getting into them!
    As to BR and Ouida, I do know a guy right now who has been in a live-together relationship for nearly 10 years, has detested her for the last 5, everyone dislikes her, his daughter advised “grow a pair” and move out, and when this whacko recently allegedly accidentally poisoned himself, he said he’d had it and would finally do the right thing. It hasn’t happened yet. He’s a good-natured, dependable, honest, thoughtful person who has put a lot of money and work into their house….does this sound familiar???
    Pray continue, as Holmes–sorry, BR–would say. This is the greatest thing since–well, the second greatest thing.

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  11. roesbette says

    According to IBDB, Jack Miltern played Montague in the 1935 Romeo and Juliet, so he was actually in the play as an actor.

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    • Ma Baker says

      yeah, I know. That’s why I said he must be Roger. I was matching up the real people in the Cornell company with the fictional ones in the book. Evvy is Katharine Cornell, Tony English is Basil, Roger is Jack Miltern, Joel is either Tyrone Power or Orson Welles. You can go through and mostly do a straight like for like.

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  12. roesbette says

    Thanks for the synopsis. I believe that the author, Fitzroy Davis, was actually gay himself. The Tony character could be a conflation of Basil and Ouida. However, Brian Aherne apparently was a bit egotisitcal since he claimed he was better looking (true) and a better actor than Basil (not true), and he was also part of that company. Also, I gather Basil was rather humble about his looks and did not consider himself handsom. I think the story about Ty Power injuring Basil is apocryphal. Basil actually thought Ty was a better swordsman than Errol and liked him. There is a story that Basil’s foot was injured during TARH, but by a spear in one of the crowd battle scenes, not a sword. The affected English accent could also apply to another Hollywood actor, Doug Fairbanks, Jr., who started out as an American (Edward G’s friend in Little Caesar) and ended up playing Englishmen!

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    • Ma Baker says

      Yeah, but the real identities of the characters are pretty clear. Tony English is Basil. There’s a guy called Fred, I think, who is Brian Aherne. Tyrone Power was in the company too and played Tybalt until Orson Welles took the part from him. That’s why I think Tyrone is supposed to be Joel, I’m not just grabbing names from a hat 🙂

      I agree Basil comes over as pretty humble in real life, but if Davies resented his looks then maybe he was just being a bitch. How many times do women go “oh that girl thinks she’s so gorgeous” when what they mean is “that girl IS so gorgeous”? It’s nicer for your ego to call someone vain than to admit you’re jealous of their looks.

      Do not agree Brian Aherne was better looking than Basil. He was a bit boring to me and kind of like wallpaper; not bad, but where’s the dazzle?

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    • Baz Fan says

      I agree it doesn’t sound much like Basil Who says Anthony English os supposed to be him?

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  13. Ma Baker says

    Well, I haven’t finished Quicksilver, because it’s very long and actually quite boring. Basil’s character is called Anthony (Tony) English. He isn’t in it much and the author clearly resents him (who is the author, anyone know about him? I can’t find anything about him online).

    Here are some salient points.

    1. Tony English doesn’t seem to have a wife (no Ouida figure), BUT (and this is really interesting) some of the aspects of Tony’ character look like they have been taken from Ouida and not Basil. For example Tony is very aspirational and claims he is English and affects the accent, but was actually born in Wisconsin. It’s a bit of a joke in the company and once someone makes a comment about it in public that embarrasses Tony. He’s also a vain socialite, very keen on appearances. Neither of these things are true of Basil, but they are true of Ouida! So, did the author sort of squish them both into a single character a bit?

    2. There’s an older actor in the company, called Roger, who is obviously based on Jack Miltern, who was actually in the Cornell company. We are told Roger is only in the company because Tony wanted him to get the job and made it a condition of accepting the part of Romeo. From the start the suggestion is of something a bit off between them.

    (now pay attention, this bit is interesting)

    In the book Roger is a predatory homosexual who likes younger men. He’s described in quite homophobic terms (by contemporary standards), as a “pansy” and similar. The innocent young actor who joins the company is warned to keep away from him as he likes seducing innocent boys.

    So, what’s the relationship between Roger and Tony? It’s only hinted. You get the feeling Tony is emotionally dependent on Roger. There’s no suggestion he feels sexual towards him, but the hint is there that Roger might view him as one of the younger men he likes to fool with, and that maybe he’s had his way with him in the past. Roger has a cigarette case that Tony gave him. He watches him from the wings when the balcony scene is playing. Tony likes to have him there for emotional support. But Roger never takes his eyes off him.

    One character called Joel (is that Tyrone Power? Wow that would be ironic) – once calls Tony a “pansy” but that’s the only suggestion Tony is actually gay.

    How it happens is – Joel is playing Tybalt and misses a cue in the sword fight and nearly injures Tony. After the show Tony goes up to him and says something like “WTF were you doing?” There’s an argument and after it’s over and Tony has gone Joel calls him a “pansy”and says he’s cold and detached like pansies often are (bit weird but that’s what it says).

    So, this book was written in 1942. Am I wrong, didn’t Tyrone Power accidentally wound Basil in the Zorro sword fight in 1940? Could this be a cheeky insider reference to that? But insanely ironic, or what? Since TP is now known t have been in the closet

    Anyhow, like I said, the book is looooooooooong and quite boring and I haven’t finished it yet. I wish Tony was in it more. You do get the feeling the author sort of resents him and is being a bitch, talking about “the gilded leading man” not wanting to ruin his “beautiful face” and things. Like a girl slagging off the prom queen!

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  14. OK, so I’ve been reading all this stuff about Ouida and Basil, and in answer to the question “how could Basil have loved her, if he knew all this, or rather in light of what he DIDN’T know, how could he have loved her?” I only have two things to say…

    “Love is blind” and “love covers a multitude of sins.”

    …OK, so that’s not all I really have to say.
    I was discussing this with my family, saying how confused I was, and my dad said something along the lines of “well, Basil loved her, and he is the only one that matters.” Then I mentioned how some people were saying that she probably just wanted to marry him because he was handsome and wealthy and famous. My sister said, “he wouldn’t have loved her if she didn’t love him, no man would!”

    Amen to the straightforward sanity of my dear father and the insight into the mind of man of my dear sister!

    After all, what does it matter what we think of her? Or what the appearances are? As far as I’m concerned, this is a mystery that’s not going to ever be solved conclusively, so I go back to what I said before,”love is blind” and “love covers a multitude of sins.” Basil loved her, and that’s all that matters in the long run.

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    • Margaret G says

      Love doesn’t mean you stop thinking or evaluating. It doesn’t mean you just keep on loving no matter what the loved one does to you or others; part of *healthy* love is respect for and liking of the person you love, and if that person repeatedly does things that are cruel or destructive or whatever then it must change the way you feel about them. If it doesn’t then I think the love is not healthy.

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      • this is true,but healthy havent we all known someone that was head over heels in love with a real yutz.Everyone can see that the person dosent deserve the love lavished on them but you cant convince that person not to love them.if it didnt happen there would be no batterd women shelters. Ava Braun loved Adolph Hitler.

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      • I’m not trying to say that Basil never considered whether or not his wife had told him the truth, or whether or not she was really a good and truthful person, or even whether he still loved her or not. He very well might have. I’m just thinking perhaps Basil loved her EVEN THOUGH he knew (or didn’t know) things about her that perhaps he didn’t like. Because love DOES cover a multitude of sins, especially when that love knows what “sins” have been committed, but loves anyway.

        It is true that healthy love should consider, not just jump in without any thought, but who ever said Basil’s love for Ouida was healthy? From all appearances it wasn’t very – it certainly seems it did him more harm then good. But that’s where the “love is blind” comes in. I agree with what Countess says below! True love loves whether or not it’s a smart or healthy idea – sometimes that’s bad, and sometimes that’s good. It all just depends.

        I’m just trying to say that while this is all EXTREMELY interesting, I agree with my dad, “well, Basil loved her, and he is the only one that matters.”

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  15. Judy Dawes says

    WOW, isn’t this fun. I haven’t opened up your attachments yet, or I’d be reading all week. Great work, all of you. And great outlet for my submerged resentment of the impossibly wonderful Ouida.
    As to “Quicksilver,” I believe I found my copy on Abebooks, if not Alibris. I believe Wiki says that at publication Cornell and others tried to buy up all the copies. In the book, as they move from city to city, the cast changes somewhat (such as from Orson Welles as Tybalt to Douglas Gagy), and the author says he also combined in some cases several “real” members into a role. So it’s confusing, but an excellent book for those who want to know the difficulties of traveling in a play. If Baz is indeed “Anthony English,” he is cold and vain. Oh–and Mercutio is played by “Frederick Bruce,” or in Cornell’s reality Bazz’s friend Brian Ahearne. A tip of the author’s cap to Nigel??
    Some quickies here–Basil’s eyes: read somewhere that in his early Hollywood days they were trying to promote him as a sex idol and he “won” an award as having “the sexiest eyes.” (Wut a surprise!) Also, in at least one article about home life, he and Ouida have separate bedrooms. (No longer a surprise!) The Gravesend Books proprietoress (whose name will eventually come back to me; out of business, but a search led me to Abe Books, a great site) remarked that Ouida’s handwriting was impossible, which may account for misreadings of her names on some census documents…at least if she inherited bad handwriting from her parents, whom one supposes would have made out the earliest ones. Handwriting must have been an awful handicap on earlier censuses, etc.
    I notice the daughter is named “Barbara S.” on a census, and yet she ends up being called Cynthia, or in full apparently “Barbara Cynthia.” (No wonder I couldn’t find a death notice under the name Cynthia. But couldn’t find one for Rodion either. Speaking of whom, where on earth did the name Rodion come from? Is not listed in a book of Shakespearean characters; seems to be Russian. us.imdgb.com says he was John Rodion (acting name), born Basil Rodion Rathbone, dob 21 July 1915, England, died 22 Aug. 1996, Brooklyn. But it continues to say he was “the only natural child” [natural??] of BR, born “in 1918 or 1919 after his father returned from World War I.” Raised in Britain by his mother after his parents divorced “around 1920.” Went to Holly. in “late 1930s to reunite with his father.” Spouse Caroline Blanche Fisher, 27 May 1938-2 May 1985, her death; three children, Heloise (1942-), Richard Rodion (1949-), and Dounia (1950-)). The imDb biography is by “Anonymous.” Have read that Rodion and his family got into the summer theater business–I think in the Provincetown, MA area and maybe others. May be possible to find these kids.
    Barbara was the name of his mother and/or sister; wonder who Cynthia was? Wonder where they obtained her…an indiscretion of Basil’s?
    Ouida may have been a victim of bipolar disorder–grandiose ideas (her agency) followed by depression (she crashed after one of her parties, involving a few truckloads of manufactured snow, got rained on).
    Here’s some Jack (John) Miltern info, partly from imDb: Born 1870 (7/13?), died Jan. 15, 1937; birth name John E.(?-my writing!) Sheehan, New Britain, CT. Lived at 5254 Los Feliz Blvd. (Baz). A feature article, “Miltern of the Melodramas,” was published 12/22/18 in the NY Times, and I found it at http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract [etc.] (no photo). One of his stage roles was as Moriarty in Wm. Gillette’s first farewell presentation of “Sherlock Holmes”!! John was apparently a very successful stage actor for some years (though no dates in article till the end). If anyone wants to see the article and can’t download it, I can scan it and send it to the website.
    I don’t mean to infer that Basil’s history may be untrue, though more and more we hear of what Hollywood studios left out of their tidy biographies. Like many who have not been touched by the showbiz bug, I have the common conception that the muse attracts a large share of bi- and homosexuals; have nothing against them, am thrilled they can now often marry, hope our Bazz wasn’t one, but will love him nevertheless! I did have “affairs” with two celebrities when young–one known countrywide via radio/TV, the other a local radio type–and the first guy, whom I had become obsessed with by the age of 10-12 and whom I met at age 18, I later tried researching (naively thinking I was capable of writing his bio), involving many, many hours poring through old pre-fame newspaper reports. Far as I could tell, what was written about him was true, but who knows what WASN’T written. Now to write about Baz/Ouida we are dealing with sources long departed from the scene. (Loved the Aldous Huxley “St. John” character!!)
    Toward the end, people write who met him then, Basil presented as a man who was becoming feeble and senile. The photo used for the cover of his autobiography shows him with the saddest look in his eyes, totally unexplained by the upbeat text. There is definitely a story there!
    Oh–if you google Dick Cavett, you will find an interesting article about Basil’s description to him of the incident with Miltern, the dogs, the car accident, and the clairvoyant phenomenom that followed. This is followed by well over 120 followup suppositions, and by the time I got in the act and typed in the actual newspaper account of the accident, some time had passed and most of the fun was over. Unless you’d like to restir that zesty soup.
    There, have vented all I know. Since now some folks don’t even know who BR is, this has been quite a pleasure. Please do all continue with this delightful commentary, and thanks for your kind (so far) feedback to me. Oh–and wouldn’t mind reading good stuff about his pals Nigel Bruce, Brian Ahearne, etc. Ta-ta!

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      • Cynthia..The name[…not the the dau.] that is..Isnt that the name of the little girl Basil had his 1st crush on? It’s in IAOOC,where hes telling about his past & his childhood. My book is packed up.Anyone have there copy handy.Could he have loved that name all those years and gave it to his dau. [without Quida ever knowing about the other Cynthia,untill she read the book.my i wonder if she had a fit?} I dont mean to sound like i hate gay people i dont. infact i know some verry nice ones. I’m just not buying the Basil was gay thing. I read in a book on Brian Ahearn that he thought he was better looking and a better actor then Basil.I had no clue from reading that that they were friends.Brian will always be E.J Smith in my eyes.What a wonderfull if smallish preformance And yes it is so cool to say Basil Rathbone and not have people say…WHO?.

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    • Margaret G says

      I absolutely agree about the sadness! Somewhere around the mid to late 1940s something seemed to change in dear Basil, I alway thought. And his expressions when he is caught at certain moments seem to harbor such sadness. I have wondered if something happened in his life. Perhaps it wa just his boredom with Holmes, bit it seems more deep and profound than that.

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      • 1940s. WW2…He had family and friends in England. Wonder why Basil jr. didnt fight? Basil was deeply involved in war work.He was part of a bunch who got childeren form England brought over here for safty during the war.He also was a Hollywood Canteen,alot.

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  16. I dont think Basil invented any kind of a pre hollywood past.His past seams to have been a open book.In fact even after reading everthing i ever could find on him..the only mystery seams to be wether or not his dad was realy a spy? And would it realy matter now, all these years after the bore war?Sure there are missing pieces from his life.But that can be said for anyone.If i became the next huge star would everyone in 110 years from now know every single little thig about my past? not because it was purpously hidden but because witht out 1st hand sources things get lost.

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  17. Judy Dawes says

    Thanks for all your wonderful surmises and detective work, a welcome change from the gloom of newscasts. As to protectinig Eva LeGallienne [sp.?], did her career last into talkies? If she was truly “the only man she ever dated,” what did he have that the others didn’t??? And whatever it was (do I wish I could experience it), one would think he would have found plenty of outlets from this seemingly odious marriage, and if he stuck to careful women (married?) he could keep it from dear Ouida, if she cared. As to the homosexual reference, Wikipedia referred to a rumor of an affair between BR and Errol Flynn. Also mentioned a 1942 book by Fitzroy Davis (not real name) called “Quicksilver,” a scandalous but well-written (by an actor who was there, apparently) depiction of the tour of “Romeo and Juliet.” He gives a cast of characters, and when compared to Druxman’s, one can kind of make out who is supposed to be BR and who is supposed to be Jack Miltern. If true, Miltern is totally effeminate, and BR and K. Cornell, playing R&J, manage to look loving in their scenes together because they are actually gazing at their same-sex lovers just offscreen. The book apparently caused some talk at the time. Does anyone know more about the book, and whether it is indeed based on the BR company of players, and whether it was true to some point or malicious or what?
    The manager of Gravesend Books some years ago wrote in her catalog that she had gone through many of the letters between BR and Oida and had built up an intense dislike for her. She had bought the contents of his estate, but it might be the material that since became stored at Boston Univ.
    This stuff is absolutely fascinating. I discovered Bazz in “Holmes” movies while recovering from two broken wrists years ago, and have been nutz about him ever since. Keep at it! It seems had to believe that BR could be so upbeat and kind and humorous in the studios when he had a nasty situation to go home to. I thought everyone invented their pre-Hollywood past, so maybe he found her fantasies more amusing than annoying, and kept out of the house playing golf and tennis and walking the dogs as much as possible! Again, keep the search going!!

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    • Hi Judy, welcome and thanks for a thought-provoking first post. I’m sure there’ll be a lot of response. 🙂

      Regarding Eva LeGallienne (your spelling was totally correct) she never really made the transition from stage to screen, but her theatre career lasted many years. I believe she was still working in the 1980s.

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    • Ma Baker says

      Wow the new info just keeps pouring in! I have looked up Quicksilver and it IS indeed a fictionization of the Katharine Cornell 1934 tour in which Basil played Romeo and Orson Welles played Tybalt. There’s a download of it available

      http://openlibrary.org/books/OL6439685M/Quicksilver

      You need to download Adobe Digital Editions to read it, but it’s free. I’ve downloaded the book, and I’ll read it tonight and let you guys know what I find.

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    • Margaret G says

      Welcome Judy! Fascinating information. I had no idea such a book existed! I wonder if we can find a copy anywhere.

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  18. I have just been catching up on some of the earlyer posts as I only fell into this site while searching for pics of Sir Frank. The Post about Eva and Basil haveing an afair..Was it comon knowlage at the time that Miss Eva was a Homosexual? Could this be something that Quida might have found out from Basil? Could this be a reason for him staying with Quida? Could she have been holding this as a trupm card? Not that he was Gay But that someone he cared about could be ruined ,if the word leaked out? Just wondering outloud.

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    • Granny Gingrich says

      I could believe he might have been protecting someone else. Maybe if he did have a longterm affair as Rosebette suggested, then he had to be careful for his lover’s reputation. This was the 40’s when careers could be ruined by scandal, especially a woman’s career. Maybe he was the lover of a famous woman and Ouida had that potential reveal over him.

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    • Hally says

      Helen Sheehy says people who knew Eva privately knew she was a lesbian, because Eva didn’t hide it the way some others did, bit it was not known about in public, and I think if it had come out it would have been very scandalos at the time, because it was 20’s! So maybe you have a point about that!

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    • I read another book which gave another spin on Basils affair with Eva.The author had quotrd Evas spin.After 10 days she became bored with Basil.Then she found out he was bragging to everyone yhat he slept with her.She left him belive she may be pregnant and he then dumped her.This book left me with the impression it was well known she was gay.But,she slept with 2 men in her life.

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  19. AnnaPindurka says

    There is a book about scriptwriter “Frances Marion and the Powerful Women of Early Hollywood”, I had hoped to find a bit about Ouida, but she is mentioned on one page only. However, that page has some interesting insight into the times, so I have copied it out:

    ‘The vote for women had been a national reality for six years, but while they had believed “the street car name Utopia would be along any minute,” from where they sat now it was all as confusing as ever. They knew it was their own movies that provided the fodder for a revolution in mores, attitudes, and dreams, and while they were glad to see many of the restrictions from earlier generations fall to the wayside, they bemoaned the fact that there were “no guidelines, no signals” on how to make relationships work.
    … Juggling the demands and responsibilities of having a husband, children, and a career over any length of time was difficult at best for any woman and the first “mule” to go was usually the husband.
    Divorce was reaching epidemic proportions. Everywhere they looked, they saw the same “pattern of domestic unhappiness: quarrels, reconciliations, accusations, reprisals, and final separations.” The fan magazines tried to put the best possible spin on the situation …

    George Fitzmaurice was divorced by his screenwriter wife, Ouida Bergere, and within months, she married the actor Basil Rathbone. Soon after, George announced his engagement to actress Florence Vidor, the ex-wife of King Vidor.’

    (The book is “Without Lying Down” by Cari Beauchamp.)

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    • Ma Baker says

      So, that story of Ouida seeing Basil on stage and saying “I’m going to marry him” happened while she was still married to husband no. (is it 2 or 3?). Quite a girl. But in Basil’s autobiography she’s presented as so upright and decent and prim.

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      • Ahh but looks can be deceiving cant they. Upright decent and prim..woman dont have to make up a mulitude of lies and build a compleately fake past for herself. While everyone is saying “what did she have on him?” here. I’m begining to wonder just the oppiset.. Shes the one with the shady past isnt she.perhaps anytime she threatend to leave him and take him to the cleaners he said ..go on but rember what I know about you,lil lady.

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    • George was divorced ‘by’ Quida..which means she brought the suite. she gets the judgement in her favour..she gets the money,she gets Basil,and George gets a doo wacka doo wacka doo.[for refrence see Roger Miller song of the same name].

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    • This makes you see it more the way people would have done then when it was happening, and it would have looked like such a rebound marriage and if you knew them you’d think it probably wouldn’t last a month

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    • Margaret G says

      Wow, what a find! If Ouida sued for divorce, does that mean George walked out on her or does it just mean they agreed to it mutually and he agreed to be the “guilty party” which was a common way of doing it before no-fault divorce came in. But as Countess says, it would still mean Ouida stood to get a good big chunk of George’s assets (if you pardon the expression!)

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  20. Jeremy says

    Absolutely first rate detective work! This is Charlie’s Angels does biographical research! Thanks to Neve, Countess and Anna 🙂

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  21. THE BAZ was recommended to me by the gang at SPEAKEASY, and I’m glad I followed up. I’d always enjoyed Basil Rathbone in his many movie roles (I admit the Sherlock Holmes movies got me started :-)), but just reading this post about the mysterious Ouida has me intrigued and interested in reading more about him and his personal life – it’s like a novel or a movie! Great job – I look forward to more! Happy Holidays!

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    • Hally says

      Welcome to THE BAZ! I got into him through Sherlock too! I watched BBC Sherlock and then I wanted to watch other Sherlocks and I just fell in love with Basil as Sherlock and then just with Basil. IMO he’s the best Sherlock ever, though I am not so sure Nigel Bruce was the best Watson. But now I just am enjoying watching all his movies. Mad Doctor made me just go hdfhdfhdf! He’s so sexy and tragic in that film!

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    • Glenys says

      Absolutely, are there any photo in which they look romantically intimate? I suppose there are candids of them. I always think you can tell a lot from such things.

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      • Hally says

        Someone posted a pic of them kissing on Tumblr like a month ago, but it didn’t really look like they had any chemistry or anything. It was at their 11th anniversary party and it looked like the photographer had gone “lets have one of you kissing” and they’d gone “Oh I guess we have to then.” That’s what someone commented on Tumblr at the time and it’s really true that it looks like that. Someone else said they both like like they are kissing a skunk, lol I haven’t seen any pics where they look like they are in love or anything. All the pics of her look really staged and formal though.

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    • took the words right out of my mouth! Perhaps we can acount it to the flash bulbs.If you have never had your photo taken with the standered flash of the time you cant begin to understand how blind and shocked you can look after Daddy says “stand still just 1 more shot!” The bulbs of the 20s {if not flash powder?} had to be bigger then the Sylivina blue dots my Dads Brownie Hawkeye used.

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  22. whoville inhabitant says

    I was looking at the wedding photo on this page. Do they look like a newly wedded couple deeply in love? The body language is all wrong isn’t it? Or is that just me?

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  23. I can’t wait for the part when Addison DeWitt confronts her in Connecticut and exposes all her lies and slaps her across the face and makes her say, “Yes, Addison,” and like it. All about Ouive.

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  24. AnnaPindurka says

    I think I have found something very interesting, not so much Ouida as George Fiztmaurice.

    Hitchcock. Storyboards. And Donald Crisp!

    “Many of the studio employees were sent over from Hollywood, apparently because the Famous Players-Lasky executives doubted the abilities of English film technicians. Hitchcock later said that the studio staff was so dominated by Americans, or by people of other nationalities who had worked in America, that he considered himself “American-trained.” Among those “training” him was Donald Crisp, a Scottish-born actor and director who had worked in the United States under the great filmmaking pioneer D.W. Griffith. At the Islington studio, Crisp directed several films for which Hitchcock designed the titles.
    However, it was another director there, George Fitzmaurice, who probably had a greater influence on Hitchcock’s future working methods. Originally a painter, Fitzmaurice made good use of his artist’s training when he entered the film business. He became known for preparing and working from “storyboard” – a series of drawings that lay out the action of a movie shot by shot. With such careful preparation, Fitzmaurice knew exactly what he wanted before the actual filming began. Hitchcock’s reliance on similar methods of preparation would eventually become legendary.”

    (From Alfred Hitchcock: Filming Our Fears by Gene Adair, which you can search in Google Books. The studio is Islington Studios.)

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  25. Humm. found Rodian in 1940 cencus in cook co.Ill. liveing with caroline fisher..that would be his MIL.also his arival from England. But LDS wont work for me tonight. Also found Basil in 1930 census..interestingly Quida lists birthplace as VA. in that one if my memory serves me correctly.Also says Basil imagreted to this country in 1910. problem with cencus is you never know who filled in the info.Could be Basil Quida the maid.Sometimes I think they asked the dog,if the answers are any given

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  26. Oh and let me say this to everyone. Neve..I only caught the ball that you threw out. What I found would NEVER have been found without you giving me the,clue about Eula Branch Burgess. From there out it was just a heep of disjointed records waiting to be strung togather into a pearl neckless of decite..Carefull that Quida purple prose is overcomeing me..[snicker] Oh not quiting this is getting to be fun.

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    • AnnaPindurka says

      Absolutely. Nothing like a good question from Neve to shock the fingers into some more googling!
      Although not sure google is the best search engine for this type of thing, but I don’t know any better.

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  27. “For which of her husband’s plays exactly did she “design and execute the sets”?” That would be the 1950s version of Sherlock Holmes on Broday that opened and closed in I think 1 performance

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  28. I am really enjoying this series on the mysterious Ouida. Seems the life of our little gal from Little Rock is getting curiouser and curiouser … I particularly like that bit about her gracious popularity (what a phrase! must definitely remember it for my own use) – I suppose it’s all part of the gracious order whose gracious part has been given most gracious assistance by the distinguished dictator; which, of course, will be remembered with recurrent pleasure whilst relaxing at one of our plunge parties, during which we speak only the Spanish Language.

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  29. AnnaPindurka says

    More spam,

    Photoplay magazine, 1924:

    “STRANGELY enough, women outrank men as continuity
    writers. Frances Marion is the greatest of all. Jeanie
    Macpherson, Cecil De Mille’s assistant, wrote the script for
    “The Ten Commandments.” June Matins is editorial chief of
    Goldwyn. Clara Beranger has written all William de Mille’s
    scenarios. Ouida Bergere has adapted everything for her
    husband-director, George Fitzmaurice. Bradley King adapted
    ‘Anna Christie” to the screen in a masterful fashion.

    There must be some reason why women are more successful.
    Is it because the woman is more capable of detaching her own
    feelings and personality and throwing herself unreservedly into
    the author’s own story?”

    http://archive.org/stream/pho26chic/pho26chic_djvu.txt

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    • Interesting that Ouida was still married to George Fitzmaurice in 1924. It was in 1922 that she saw Basil in The Czarina and announced to her companion that she intended to marry him. Was she thinking of dumping George? (Of course, after seeing Basil, who wouldn’t dump her current beau?)

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    • Jeanie Macpherson, Cecil De Mille’s assistant, wrote the script for
      “The Ten Commandments.” Whats the begining of the remake also by C.B. say..someing about wtiten by GOD additional diloge by C.B. De Mille. It’s at the begining the part where he walks out on stage. They usualy cut it out when they show it every Easter.

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  30. AnnaPindurka says

    A bit more digging:
    tipped off by imdb.com, I found this review of Ouida’s one Broadway role: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F00614FB395517738DDDAB0A94DA415B818DF1D3
    She “did nicely”, says the reviewer.
    A bit about the building from the Broadway Database:
    “Bijou Theater, 1239 Broadway, New York, NY
    Originally a sporting saloon, converted to a variety and minstrel playhouse in 1878. In 1881, the building was razed and rebuilt as a light opera house. Destroyed in 1915 for office space.”

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    • roesbette says

      I must admit that this review is also written in that stilted and verbose style of Ouida’s. Perhaps that’s how people wrote in the day until Hemingway and Fitzgerald got American writers to clean up their flabby prose. Anyway, I guess she did act a bit and have some kind of talent agency. Noah Beery was a fairly famous actor and was the villain in Fairbanks’ Sr.’s Mark of Zorro. Noah Beery Jr., his son, was the father in Jim Garner’s The Rockford Files.

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